Thursday, January 28, 2010
Fox Interview of Colonel Terry Lee About Nidal Hassan's Radical Red Flags
Title: Fox Interview of Colonel Terry Lee About Nidal Hassan's Radical Red Flags
View the original video here:
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/27275853/fight-against-the-aggressor.htm Fight Against the Agressor
This is the first complete transcript of what is still the best summary of what Nidal Hassan was really made of within hours of the Fort Hood shooting, but it was buried as part what can only be a very high level campaign by the FBI, Army, DOD, and president to ERASE the dots connecting all of the red flags. It is interesting why evidently there is no other published source of Hassan's reaction to the Little Rock attack on the recruiting station was almost certainly a precursor to Fort Hood, and tied to a shooter who had spent mysterious time in Yemen with a bogus passport to Somalia. Failure to even identify Hassan as a terrorism suspect, let alone put Anwar al-Awlaki on a FBI wanted list or identify Awlaki or Duane Reasoner as co-conspirators, or take military action to take out the terrorists behind this action in Yemen would lead to the Flight 253 bombing on Dec 25, even as evidently part of the government was trying to kill Hassan's spiritual guide, Anwar al-Awlaki in a airstrike in Yemen.
Transcribed by me in addition to the automatically generated transcript:
Shepard: We have now the opportunity to be joined by a man who knew and worked with Major Hasan, the suspect who was shot and killed today who said to be responsible for all of this. On the line this is Colonel Terry Lee who worked with him at Fort Hood in the psych ward with Major Hasan and is live and on the phone with us now. Sir, it is very good of you to join us. Thank you for your service and thank you for calling in.
Lee: Thank you for having me on. I get my condolences to the the men and women who went through this tragic day.
Shepard: Thank you colonel and I know that you were retired now and that you worked with him at the psych ward at Fort Hood. You, our bookers have quoted you as saying that he was making what you termed outlandish comments comments condemning our foreign policy and even once claimed that Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan could you elaborate for us."
Lee: Well, there was a time we were at a conference, this was roughly about six months ago [about may 2009], and he made some several comments about how, you know, first of all we shouldn't be over there and I told the major, that you need to lock it up major, this ain't the time for your views be known to the public individuals. There was several news people that were there at the conference. and he kept on saying...
Shepard: What did he say precisely?
1:21 Lee: He said precisely that, uh, maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor. And that.. at first we thought he was talking about how, you know -- Muslims should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq, in Afghanistan. But apparently that wasn't the case because there was other times, he would make comments to other individuals. About how we shouldn't be in the war in the first place. 1:53 And there was a specific time when there was a shooting at Little Rock"
Shepard: At the recruitment center there, it is my belief...
Lee: Correct and there were some comments made about it it that he was almost sort of happy about it. And there was a couple other officers that were in the room and made the comment to him that well how can you make that, make that statement? And Nidal kept on making a comment, well maybe we should get out, and this is what Muslims should do, they should stand up to the aggressor.
Shepard: now it's my understanding from from previous conversations with you through through our Fox News employees. That some of the physicians in the unit were discussing the incident and expressed disgust and I'm quoting here "For the ragheads who might attack the military here in the United States. This was apparently said to major Hassan who, it's my understanding is a convert to Islam is that right."
Lee: Ah, that what I believe so .. but he made those comments and he stuck closely to his faith. But you know as soldiers you know we have a duty, to, you know follow orders from our commander in chief and your political views are set aside. But he was, after the shooting in Little Rock, he was almost outstandingly upset about, you know, the way this man was treated in Little Rock. And he says maybe we should have more of these where people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square. and that was from a third source, so I can't confirm that."
Shepard 3:40: Again we're we're on the line now with retired colonel Terry Lee. All right now now you now you say that Hassan himself, Who worked with the man on the right hand side of your screen at Fort Hood the man on the right hand side of your screen is the one who is said by the military to have shot and killed. Twelve people at Fort Hood in Texas today and left 31 others injured. You you have told our staff that that Hassan seemed to believe, had feelings about President Obama and his election could you tell us about that."
Lee: Well there was a comment that he made, a couple of times in the conference room and also one time outside of the facility, that he was hoping that President Obama would pull the troops out and things would settle down. And when things weren't going that way he became more more agitated more frustrated with with the conflicts over there and and he was, he just made his views well known. About how he felt about how, the US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Shepard: And this is something that was investigated by the military it's my understanding."
Lee: Well that's what we were we're told. I'm retired I'm and I left there and I didn't hear anything more about it. I was told that there was investigation but. I couldn't tell you further any more than the what they say he said, she said routine
Shepard: But colonel you you've heard many of the statements that you've just reiterated to us and I wonder. Colonel, were you concerned about this man and the safety of others."
Lee: You know at first you know you blow it off for peoeple just being a hothead, and making political views. But, like over a period of time he became more, I would say agitated about everything. With the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and he's his views, a couple of times when he was in a mobilization line, there was a confrontation with another soldier, I just heard you know bits and pieces about it that he got into an argument and the name calling, apparently there was some name to that trooper which, I can't recall what was said, there was some agitation. Here's the thing of concern. . Why was being transferred from Walter Reed hospital to Fort Hood. I mean, something was happening there at Walter Reed. And that's that's what I hope the investigation will go and find out what happened at Walter Reed.. transported to Fort Hood."
Shepard: Good, well that those are all questions that we will certainly be asking [or NOT asking] in the days ahead and I'm sure the military's seeking [to cover up the] answer to that sort of question as well. Colonel. there are two others who were being held today in question.Major Hasan, did he have a group of friends who had similar beliefs as he, to your knowledge, your direct knowledge? [yes Duane Reasoner, also a jihadist, and a mysterious 3rd person, not counting his spritual pen-Imam, but neither known to Col Lee]
Lee: No, he was sort of a loner to himself. He never did socialize a lot with a lot of the officers, on duty or off duty much. he was a sort of a loner to himself.
Shepard: You've said it that other members of the military, including officers would call him derogatory names, could you go through some of that and explain how some of those arguments would go down?
Lee: if any soldier gets into an argument, there is going to be some name calling, but apparently he made some comments about. We should be pulling out of Iraq, we shouldn't be having any business there and and you've got some Officers, sons and daughters who are over there and feel strongly about it they got into some name calling. You know one thing led to another, but I don't think that would cause him to go on a shooting spree. I think there is a deeper seed than that.
Shepard: I was certainly not making that connection I was just trying to get to the bottom of what you heard and saw."
Lee: Yeah, you hear a lot especially in situations like this. You know I feel confident in the CID and FBI in investigating this and I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of this [Well, FBI and Army completely ignored everything said here and concluded there no motive in his anti-Army pro-muslim or condonging of terrorist acts and that he acted alone....]
Shepard: Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of the state of Texas says that the army major was who's accused here was about to deployed overseas to either Iraq or Afghanistan I'm assuming. His entire group was do you know anything about yet."
Lee: He was going to it be deployed some time at the end of the year. He was totally against going, as a matter of fact he was going through the chain of command trying to get that deployment canceled. And he was at best strongly against about going back over there."
Shepard: Officials in Washington said they suspected that this shooter they they said the shooter was a psychiatrist. Is that accurate?
Lee: That's correct
Shepard: Would he work, I know that a lot of psychiatrists work with the men and women who come back from overseas and feel like they need somebody to talk to, would that have been the kind of work that he did."
Lee: That's correct, and not only that but the PTSD and other forms of maybe some type of alcoholism and maybe drug addiction and things of that nature."
Shepard: Understood. Well, Colonel Lee we greatly appreciate your being here. So sorry for everyone in the Fort Hood family. Thank you Colonel Terry Lee for your input here.