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Jeff Bassett, Josh Powell's attorney, questioned the validity of the images and noted there wasn't any concrete proof that they even belonged to his client.
@@Campground
@@drive halfway to meet Steve theory
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-97345.html
I've known Josh for a year now and we have spoken many times. Josh doesn't show any of the traits I've read about in people involved in their spouse's disappearance. He's not living some false live, no girl on the side, no money problems outside he's underpaid at work.
Josh is a good guy so quit speculating about this and let the police do their work. WVPD are good group of guys and will figure this out.
Buzz Nielsen, the police chief in West Valley City, Utah.
@@Poster
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
@@Sociopath
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
@@RandomCommenting
Salt Lake Tribune Commenter who is right on. Critic of Wayne Hamberg
The stain:
Story 1: SusanPowell.org: Jennifer Graves ransacks missing woman Susan Powell's home
http://www.susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Graves-ransacks-missing-woman-Susan-Powell-home Jennifer Graves found a large spot under the couch in the living room (Koolaid-pink and about 2 feet in diameter). Jennifer Graves looked directly at Josh with an accusatory expression and said, "Josh, how could you?" Josh explained that it was probably some kind of spilled drink and that it had been there a very long time
Story 2: Josh Powell said that his wife had been cleaning the rug before she disappeared.
Story 3: So how is it that Steven Powell knew about a specific stain under a couch that a fan was blowing on in the Utah home when he answered a question for Josh back in November of 2010 during a Salt lake City interview with the Tribune? Was it because he could have actually driven to Utah? The guest at the home of the Powell's the night Susan vanished never said fans were running in the living room because the carpet was being cleaned. So how the heck does Steven Powell know this as if it were first hand knowledge?
@@Parental Alienation
: http://www.parental-alienation-awareness.com/
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main: Demons and Saints: Murder of Josh and Susan Powell Family
@@Bassett, Jeff
Jeff Bassett, Josh Powell's attorney, questioned the validity of the images and noted there wasn't any concrete proof that they even belonged to his client.
@@Blood
Blood was found on a comforter found in Washington, and on the floor of the West Valley home.
Investigators find blood-stained comforter in Powell case ...
www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-10/powell.../1
Feb 10, 2012 – Josh Powell repeatedly tried to regain custody of the boys. At one point late last year, he underwent a court-ordered psychological evaluation.@@Campground
Simpson Springs Campground
http://www.blm.gov/ut/st/en/fo/salt_lake/recreation/camping/simspson_springs.html
KSL overflies campsite at Simpson Springs |
Open: Year-round. Cost: $5.00 per campsite [Did anyone check if Josh paid for the campsite?? If he was there, there would be payment and paperwork for the fee, but he was never asked what happened to the fee, or why he didn't pay, or which spot he stayed at] According to Google Maps Simpson Springs Campground, Dugway-Wendover, UT (simpson springs campground) is 86 mi, 2 hours 52 mins from West Valley Utah Josh Powell reports that he left his home with his two sons, then ages 2 and 4, to go camping at the Simpson Springs Campground, about 25 miles west of Vernon, in the remote west desert of Tooele County Josh later told authoritiess he drove to the Pony Express trail about 40 minutes away, which is only abou halfway to this campground. Police searched the Simpson Spring Recreation Area December 10 but found no sign of camping, and Josh refused to show them the campsite. Evidently no evidence he paid for the campsite.ABC News has learned that fewer than 20 people visit the remote campground each winter.
@@drive halfway to meet Steve theory
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-97345.html
03-12-2010, 07:49 PM
I just mapped WVC, UT to Steven P's house in Puyallup and takes between 14.5 - 18.5 hours to drive there. Here's a thought - did Josh drive 1/2 way and meet his Dad, who then took Susan's body to dispose of?
Were there any calls from Josh to his Dad that night or morning? Was his Dad at work the day of the 7th? I would imagine LE has the answers to these questions - I would hope so anyway. (sorry if this has already been discussed)
Did the kids see their Grandpa on the 7th?
Were there any calls from Josh to his Dad that night or morning? Was his Dad at work the day of the 7th? I would imagine LE has the answers to these questions - I would hope so anyway. (sorry if this has already been discussed)
Did the kids see their Grandpa on the 7th?
hollyblue
03-13-2010, 03:46 AM
I just mapped WVC, UT to Steven P's house in Puyallup and takes between 14.5 - 18.5 hours to drive there. Here's a thought - did Josh drive 1/2 way and meet his Dad, who then took Susan's body to dispose of?
Were there any calls from Josh to his Dad that night or morning? Was his Dad at work the day of the 7th? I would imagine LE has the answers to these questions - I would hope so anyway. (sorry if this has already been discussed)
Did the kids see their Grandpa on the 7th?
Halfway would be approximately the border of Id & Or. If it's true that SP may have a brother (Major, in the Idaho State Police, Forensics) working in Meridian, Id., that would be VERY interesting.
I checked the time and mileage from WVC to the area where I-84 crosses over the Snake River and it's about 2.5 hours and 180 miles. Also Hell's Canyon National Recreational Park and vicinity is in eastern Oregon. Since the Powells lived in Spokane, likely, they would be very familiar with this area.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#/vhzxoh9jh9fc8op3
Were there any calls from Josh to his Dad that night or morning? Was his Dad at work the day of the 7th? I would imagine LE has the answers to these questions - I would hope so anyway. (sorry if this has already been discussed)
Did the kids see their Grandpa on the 7th?
Halfway would be approximately the border of Id & Or. If it's true that SP may have a brother (Major, in the Idaho State Police, Forensics) working in Meridian, Id., that would be VERY interesting.
I checked the time and mileage from WVC to the area where I-84 crosses over the Snake River and it's about 2.5 hours and 180 miles. Also Hell's Canyon National Recreational Park and vicinity is in eastern Oregon. Since the Powells lived in Spokane, likely, they would be very familiar with this area.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#/vhzxoh9jh9fc8op3
PickieChickie
03-13-2010, 10:13 AM
Halfway would be approximately the border of Id & Or. If it's true that SP may have a brother (Major, in the Idaho State Police, Forensics) working in Meridian, Id., that would be VERY interesting.
I checked the time and mileage from WVC to the area where I-84 crosses over the Snake River and it's about 2.5 hours and 180 miles. Also Hell's Canyon National Recreational Park and vicinity is in eastern Oregon. Since the Powells lived in Spokane, likely, they would be very familiar with this area.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#/vhzxoh9jh9fc8op3
Maybe he went to go see MAJOR RALPH POWELL on the day he rented the car. It was reported he drove 300 plus miles and that would be about 360 miles round trip! Here: http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html
http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/pic_rpowell.jpg
I checked the time and mileage from WVC to the area where I-84 crosses over the Snake River and it's about 2.5 hours and 180 miles. Also Hell's Canyon National Recreational Park and vicinity is in eastern Oregon. Since the Powells lived in Spokane, likely, they would be very familiar with this area.
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#/vhzxoh9jh9fc8op3
Maybe he went to go see MAJOR RALPH POWELL on the day he rented the car. It was reported he drove 300 plus miles and that would be about 360 miles round trip! Here: http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html
http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/pic_rpowell.jpg
Jules71
03-13-2010, 12:56 PM
Maybe he went to go see MAJOR RALPH POWELL on the day he rented the car. It was reported he drove 300 plus miles and that would be about 360 miles round trip! Here: http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html
http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/pic_rpowell.jpg
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
Bartleby
03-13-2010, 01:02 PM
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
Your questions have been discussed in great detail about ten weeks ago, please go back and read all the previous threads to bring yourself up to date.
The car he hired is visible in the video interview when a reporter caught him off guard as he returned from an outing. This was the one time he spoke semi-candidly, and it was very obvious he was holding back a lot of information, and possibly lying about everything else.
PickieChickie
03-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXDpQEfZm8
It is believed, since this interview took place during the time Josh had the rental car, that the car Josh got out of is the rental car. And, in my opinion, the answer would be no.
Jules71
03-13-2010, 12:56 PM
Maybe he went to go see MAJOR RALPH POWELL on the day he rented the car. It was reported he drove 300 plus miles and that would be about 360 miles round trip! Here: http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html
http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/pic_rpowell.jpg
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/pic_rpowell.jpg
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
Bartleby
03-13-2010, 01:02 PM
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
Your questions have been discussed in great detail about ten weeks ago, please go back and read all the previous threads to bring yourself up to date.
The car he hired is visible in the video interview when a reporter caught him off guard as he returned from an outing. This was the one time he spoke semi-candidly, and it was very obvious he was holding back a lot of information, and possibly lying about everything else.
Your questions have been discussed in great detail about ten weeks ago, please go back and read all the previous threads to bring yourself up to date.
The car he hired is visible in the video interview when a reporter caught him off guard as he returned from an outing. This was the one time he spoke semi-candidly, and it was very obvious he was holding back a lot of information, and possibly lying about everything else.
PickieChickie
03-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I also wondered if he drove the rental car to the place he claimed to have been camping, in order to place evidence to support his claim of being there. What kind of car did he rent? Was it something that would be able to drive those snowy roads better than his van?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXDpQEfZm8
It is believed, since this interview took place during the time Josh had the rental car, that the car Josh got out of is the rental car. And, in my opinion, the answer would be no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXDpQEfZm8
It is believed, since this interview took place during the time Josh had the rental car, that the car Josh got out of is the rental car. And, in my opinion, the answer would be no.
This is the focus he rented to meet his dad with. He normally drives a blue 2005 Chrysler Town Country |
@@conspiracy
If Steven Powell had any knowledge or directed Josh to do anything against Susan, then HE can be charged with the murder, and he certainly was involved and knows about it, otherwise he would be talking to police. Why isn't he charged with the murder yet?
@@eviction
http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/cfapps/linx/calendar/GetCivilCase.cfm?cause_num=01-2-11918-0
I just saw this link among the comments from the SL Tribune. Seems as though Josh Powell was a defendant in an eviction case in 2001.
This was only 5 months after he and Susan were married. Wonder if this has anything to do with their property management jobs. He might have been part of the maintenance crew too. Wonder what type of trouble he got himself into that time? Who is Dana A Lewis? Attorney?
Sunnydee, what article was this under? TIA
I just saw this link among the comments from the SL Tribune. Seems as though Josh Powell was a defendant in an eviction case in 2001.
This was only 5 months after he and Susan were married. Wonder if this has anything to do with their property management jobs. He might have been part of the maintenance crew too. Wonder what type of trouble he got himself into that time? Who is Dana A Lewis? Attorney?
Sunnydee, what article was this under? TIA
PickieChickie
03-12-2010, 12:50 AM
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF JOSH POWELL TIMELINE Public
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF DANA A LEWIS Public
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF STEVEN C POWELL Public
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF JENNIFER GRAVES Public
10/05/2001 DECLARATION OF TERRICA R POWELL Public
What does this mean? Did his father, mother and sister testify? Great sleuthing sunnydee!!
A declaration is a written statement filed with the court which the declarant must sign under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of (insert state) that the foregoing is true and correct.
What I am gathering from the filings is that Josh Powell was served with a 30 Day Notice To Vacate which he did not voluntarily comply with. Because of this, the landlord filed an Unlawful Detainer petition to evict Josh Powell with the court.
In order to attempt to prove why he should not be evicted, Josh obtained declarations from the people listed in an attempt to persuade the judge the plaintiff/landlord was not within his rights to evict Josh Powell, et all.
When an Unlawful Detainer petition is granted, a move out date is ordered by the court. If the defendant(s) have not vacated the premises by midnight on the particular date at which time the sheriff's department goes to the residence (to make sure it is vacant and posts the Sherrif's Notice on the door that anyone named in the Unlawful Detainer case will be arrested if they are caught on the property), the residence must be vacant or the occupants will be arrested on the spot and forfeit all their possessions remaining on the property!
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF DANA A LEWIS Public
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF STEVEN C POWELL Public
10/04/2001 DECLARATION OF JENNIFER GRAVES Public
10/05/2001 DECLARATION OF TERRICA R POWELL Public
What does this mean? Did his father, mother and sister testify? Great sleuthing sunnydee!!
A declaration is a written statement filed with the court which the declarant must sign under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of (insert state) that the foregoing is true and correct.
What I am gathering from the filings is that Josh Powell was served with a 30 Day Notice To Vacate which he did not voluntarily comply with. Because of this, the landlord filed an Unlawful Detainer petition to evict Josh Powell with the court.
In order to attempt to prove why he should not be evicted, Josh obtained declarations from the people listed in an attempt to persuade the judge the plaintiff/landlord was not within his rights to evict Josh Powell, et all.
When an Unlawful Detainer petition is granted, a move out date is ordered by the court. If the defendant(s) have not vacated the premises by midnight on the particular date at which time the sheriff's department goes to the residence (to make sure it is vacant and posts the Sherrif's Notice on the door that anyone named in the Unlawful Detainer case will be arrested if they are caught on the property), the residence must be vacant or the occupants will be arrested on the spot and forfeit all their possessions remaining on the property!
Breathe
03-12-2010, 01:14 AM
A declaration is a written statement filed with the court which the declarant must sign under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of (insert state) that the foregoing is true and correct.
What I am gathering from the filings is that Josh Powell was served with a 30 Day Notice To Vacate which he did not voluntarily comply with. Because of this, the landlord filed an Unlawful Detainer petition to evict Josh Powell with the court.
In order to attempt to prove why he should not be evicted, Josh obtained declarations from the people listed in an attempt to persuade the judge the plaintiff/landlord was not within his rights to evict Josh Powell, et all.
When an Unlawful Detainer petition is granted, a move out date is ordered by the court. If the defendant(s) have not vacated the premises by midnight on the particular date at which time the sheriff's department goes to the residence (to make sure it is vacant and posts the Sherrif's Notice on the door that anyone named in the Unlawful Detainer case will be arrested if they are caught on the property), the residence must be vacant or the occupants will be arrested on the spot and forfeit all their possessions remaining on the property!
Thank you!! (Sometimes his backbone suprises me)
Resolution: 10/01/2001 Uncontested Resolution I'm having a hard time finding out the WA Court defination of uncontested resolution. Does this mean he moved anyway? A little surprised that Susan didn't testify but three of his family members did. (I assume Susan was the only one that lived in the apartment with him but who knows.) Thanks for your help!!!!
What I am gathering from the filings is that Josh Powell was served with a 30 Day Notice To Vacate which he did not voluntarily comply with. Because of this, the landlord filed an Unlawful Detainer petition to evict Josh Powell with the court.
In order to attempt to prove why he should not be evicted, Josh obtained declarations from the people listed in an attempt to persuade the judge the plaintiff/landlord was not within his rights to evict Josh Powell, et all.
When an Unlawful Detainer petition is granted, a move out date is ordered by the court. If the defendant(s) have not vacated the premises by midnight on the particular date at which time the sheriff's department goes to the residence (to make sure it is vacant and posts the Sherrif's Notice on the door that anyone named in the Unlawful Detainer case will be arrested if they are caught on the property), the residence must be vacant or the occupants will be arrested on the spot and forfeit all their possessions remaining on the property!
Thank you!! (Sometimes his backbone suprises me)
Resolution: 10/01/2001 Uncontested Resolution I'm having a hard time finding out the WA Court defination of uncontested resolution. Does this mean he moved anyway? A little surprised that Susan didn't testify but three of his family members did. (I assume Susan was the only one that lived in the apartment with him but who knows.) Thanks for your help!!!!
PickieChickie
03-12-2010, 01:18 AM
Thank you!! (Sometimes his backbone suprises me)
Resolution: 10/01/2001 Uncontested Resolution I'm having a hard time finding out the WA Court defination of uncontested resolution. Does this mean he moved anyway? A little surprised that Susan didn't testify but three of his family members did. (I assume Susan was the only one that lived in the apartment with him but who knows.) Thanks for your help!!!!
EDIT: I see the 10/01/2001: Uncontested Resolution at the very top. That is puzzling!
And he apparently tried to contest the eviction after the move out order which was denied. If any other resolution had been reached, the motions would have been granted and it would have been noted that the case Unlawful Detainer case was dismissed.
However, Josh was evicted:
10/11/2001 MOTION TO VACATE Public
10/12/2001 SHERIFF S RETURN ON WRIT Public 2214-2777
10/17/2001 MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION Public
10/17/2001 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE Public 2216-4101
10/17/2001 NOTICE OF ATTY CHANGE OF ADDRESS Public
10/18/2001 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE Public 2217-1088
10/24/2001 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Public
10/26/2001 ORDER DENYING MOTION/PETITION Public 2220-2237
10/26/2001 VERBATIM RPT TRANSMITTED IN CT FILE Public
10/26/2001 VERBATIM RPT TRANSMITTED IN CT FILE Public
10/26/2001 MOTION HEARING Public
12/30/2008 ARCHIVED RECORD
I don't understand what 10/26/2001 MOTION HEARING is all about. But, there were no further entries after that.
He filed a Motion For Reconsideration with the accompany declarations you listed asking the court to reconsider granting the plaintiff's/landlord's Unlawful Detainer petition which was denied. (I am sure the declarations contained statements as to why Josh should NOT be evicted.)
Resolution: 10/01/2001 Uncontested Resolution I'm having a hard time finding out the WA Court defination of uncontested resolution. Does this mean he moved anyway? A little surprised that Susan didn't testify but three of his family members did. (I assume Susan was the only one that lived in the apartment with him but who knows.) Thanks for your help!!!!
EDIT: I see the 10/01/2001: Uncontested Resolution at the very top. That is puzzling!
And he apparently tried to contest the eviction after the move out order which was denied. If any other resolution had been reached, the motions would have been granted and it would have been noted that the case Unlawful Detainer case was dismissed.
However, Josh was evicted:
10/11/2001 MOTION TO VACATE Public
10/12/2001 SHERIFF S RETURN ON WRIT Public 2214-2777
10/17/2001 MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION Public
10/17/2001 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE Public 2216-4101
10/17/2001 NOTICE OF ATTY CHANGE OF ADDRESS Public
10/18/2001 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE Public 2217-1088
10/24/2001 MOTION AND AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION Public
10/26/2001 ORDER DENYING MOTION/PETITION Public 2220-2237
10/26/2001 VERBATIM RPT TRANSMITTED IN CT FILE Public
10/26/2001 VERBATIM RPT TRANSMITTED IN CT FILE Public
10/26/2001 MOTION HEARING Public
12/30/2008 ARCHIVED RECORD
I don't understand what 10/26/2001 MOTION HEARING is all about. But, there were no further entries after that.
He filed a Motion For Reconsideration with the accompany declarations you listed asking the court to reconsider granting the plaintiff's/landlord's Unlawful Detainer petition which was denied. (I am sure the declarations contained statements as to why Josh should NOT be evicted.)
gwenabob
03-12-2010, 02:03 AM
I seem to remember reading that Josh and Susan lived with OMP for a little while after they married. Am I remembering that correctly? If so, perhaps it was after the eviction.
PickieChickie
03-12-2010, 03:09 AM
1 Uncontested Resolution [/B][/I] I'm having a hard time finding out the WA Court defination of uncontested resolution. Does this mean he moved anyway?
7.A.c UNCONTESTED RESOLUTION
Uncontested Resolution (UNDS) - Final resolution for a case that is not contested in superior court, and is not given a default judgment (e.g., a case in which the respondent did not answer to the claims and no order of default was handed down as the final resolution). Use for initial pre-placement reports filed without a pre-existing adoption file.
Consolidated Case (CONS) - Final resolution for a case being consolidated into another case.
There was a judgment issued.
7.A.c UNCONTESTED RESOLUTION
Uncontested Resolution (UNDS) - Final resolution for a case that is not contested in superior court, and is not given a default judgment (e.g., a case in which the respondent did not answer to the claims and no order of default was handed down as the final resolution). Use for initial pre-placement reports filed without a pre-existing adoption file.
Consolidated Case (CONS) - Final resolution for a case being consolidated into another case.
There was a judgment issued.
sunnydee
03-12-2010, 07:46 AM
This was only 5 months after he and Susan were married. Wonder if this has anything to do with their property management jobs. He might have been part of the maintenance crew too. Wonder what type of trouble he got himself into that time? Who is Dana A Lewis? Attorney?
Sunnydee, what article was this under? TIA
This information wasn't in the text of an article. It was something that a poster had written on the message board for the story about the police being unable to confirm that Josh was at the strip bar.
Sunnydee, what article was this under? TIA
This information wasn't in the text of an article. It was something that a poster had written on the message board for the story about the police being unable to confirm that Josh was at the strip bar.
03-12-2010, 10:09 AM
A motion for reconsideration? Who in Josh's family is the legal adviser? It looks like he fought and got everyone involved and pretty much stretched his case of eviction as far as he could, exercising his rights. Since he didn't have rent money, it seems to me someone else had to be coaching him.
Most likely Steven C. Powell. Check out how long he kept Josh's mother, his ex-wife, tied up in court: http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S32&casenumber=92-3-02909-8&searchtype=sName&token=1EA5FFDE0EC5227A0CA3BA5FB91C8CAD&dt=0A01C356CC01DFD88FBBBDC67AC3BAE9
Most likely Steven C. Powell. Check out how long he kept Josh's mother, his ex-wife, tied up in court: http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S32&casenumber=92-3-02909-8&searchtype=sName&token=1EA5FFDE0EC5227A0CA3BA5FB91C8CAD&dt=0A01C356CC01DFD88FBBBDC67AC3BAE9
grayjay
03-12-2010, 12:59 PM
Most likely Steven C. Powell. Check out how long he kept Josh's mother, his ex-wife, tied up in court: http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S32&casenumber=92-3-02909-8&searchtype=sName&token=1EA5FFDE0EC5227A0CA3BA5FB91C8CAD&dt=0A01C356CC01DFD88FBBBDC67AC3BAE9
For those who are short of patience in this case and wonder what's going on behind the scenes, this should explain a lot. This kind of guy would still be filing legal arguments five minutes before execution if the case were cut and dried and there were nothing to argue. They are saving the taxpayers a lot of extra court time, if they really nail it dead on the first time.
For those who are short of patience in this case and wonder what's going on behind the scenes, this should explain a lot. This kind of guy would still be filing legal arguments five minutes before execution if the case were cut and dried and there were nothing to argue. They are saving the taxpayers a lot of extra court time, if they really nail it dead on the first time.
@@Gasoline
Cans of gasoline were found in Josh's van after his camping trip. Cans of gasoline were used to burn down the house where he cornered and used a hatchet on his own boys. And somebody used gasoline to burn a mine that was announced to be searched for Susan's body in June 2010.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53854460-78/powell-mine-mines-hardman.html.csp?page=2
"It buried anything down there and created a death trap because of the carbon monoxide generated by burning material," he said. Only one mine left a question in his mind, one that the group publicly announced would be searched the weekend of June 25-26, 2010. When they arrived, they discovered someone had poured gasoline down the 300-foot-deep shaft and also set fire to the wooden supports at the surface. It was still smoldering and they had to call off the exploration.
@@Good Vs. Evil
The whole problem in this case is a systemic incapability of anyone at any level of government to distinguish good from evil, and give evil a pass at every opportunity.
"A standard hiring question should be: Can you tell the difference between good and evil?"
@@good bye
Josh said I'm sorry messages to everyone but his father Steven. Interesting point.
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
Josh said I'm sorry messages to everyone but his father Steven. Interesting point.
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
@@Hamberg, Wayne
Wayne Hamberg is one of the only locals who speaks favorably about Josh. A friend (only friend?) of Josh Powell who would not tell the story of whether he met Josh Powell at 5AM the morning of Susan's disappearance. Only person who would NOT talk to Isabelle Zehnder of circle of Susan's friends.
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
Wayne Hamberg is one of the only locals who speaks favorably about Josh. A friend (only friend?) of Josh Powell who would not tell the story of whether he met Josh Powell at 5AM the morning of Susan's disappearance. Only person who would NOT talk to Isabelle Zehnder of circle of Susan's friends.
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
Salt Lake City resident Wayne Hamberg, one of Josh Powell's friends, has said Josh and Susan Powell had problems like any other couple, but Hamburg never saw any signs of domestic violence or other serious issues.
recall around that time Wayne Hamburg posting on the wall of the "susan powell part 2" Facebook group that the Seattle Examiner called him wanting an interview. The fact that I've not read an interview published by Isabelle containing quotes from him leads me to deduct this is who made that statement!
I've noticed anytime there is an article about Josh, he is normally spewing his glib in the comment section of the
Trib.
I've noticed anytime there is an article about Josh, he is normally spewing his glib in the comment section of the
Trib.
PickieChickie
03-11-2010, 11:32 PM
What a soul selling sucker this guy is. Hope LE did give him a call!
The West Valley City Police did call Wayne Hamberg on February 1, 2010 and asked him to be down at police headquarters the following morning, February 2, 2010, at 08:30 AM!
I know this to be a fact because he posted this on the wall of the susan powell part 2 Facebook group and I saved a pdf file of the wall.
The West Valley City Police did call Wayne Hamberg on February 1, 2010 and asked him to be down at police headquarters the following morning, February 2, 2010, at 08:30 AM!
I know this to be a fact because he posted this on the wall of the susan powell part 2 Facebook group and I saved a pdf file of the wall.
PickieChickie
03-11-2010, 11:34 PM
I've noticed anytime there is an article about Josh, he is normally spewing his glib in the comment section of the
Trib.
Get a Facebook account and join the group "susan powell part 2" if you want to see some spewing! He goes on and on for MILES!
Trib.
Get a Facebook account and join the group "susan powell part 2" if you want to see some spewing! He goes on and on for MILES!
03-11-2010, 11:36 PM
There was a post a while back, and I'd have a hard time finding it, where OK5 provided a layout of the home. The bedrooms are on the left, the living room and behind it the kitchen in the middle, and the garage on the right.
It was worded that Susan went to take a nap.
Josh may have returned to WVC in the morning according to rumors, so I've revised my ideas considerably and think he didn't go so far away.
If Wayne Hamberg is the person Isabelle spoke with, and Josh was indeed in West Valley City at 5:00 AM, perhaps he dropped by Wayne Hamberg's house! How else would he know Josh was in West Valley City at 5:00 AM?
It was worded that Susan went to take a nap.
Josh may have returned to WVC in the morning according to rumors, so I've revised my ideas considerably and think he didn't go so far away.
If Wayne Hamberg is the person Isabelle spoke with, and Josh was indeed in West Valley City at 5:00 AM, perhaps he dropped by Wayne Hamberg's house! How else would he know Josh was in West Valley City at 5:00 AM?
unnydee
03-12-2010, 08:01 AM
What do you make of this?
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http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m3d10-Josh-Powell-Offered-the-opportunity-to-tell-his-side-of-the-story?cid=examiner-email
In January Examiner.com offered to interview one of Josh's friends. The friend put unusual conditions on sharing his story and has, to date, not agreed to share his story. During a phone conversation he did say, "If I knew Josh was in town at 5 a.m. the day Susan went missing, don’t you think that story would be worth at least $1,000?”
It's hard to imagine WH selling a story for $1000. I've read his comments in the past when he was bragging about the national news wanting to interview him. I feel pretty sure he would want a lot more than $1000.
I am curious about the use of the word "friend" and wonder if the person identified themselves as a friend or if the Examiner used the term themselves. Perhaps, the person with the knowledge of Josh being in WVC at 5 am could be someone from a store he went to?
snipped:
http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m3d10-Josh-Powell-Offered-the-opportunity-to-tell-his-side-of-the-story?cid=examiner-email
In January Examiner.com offered to interview one of Josh's friends. The friend put unusual conditions on sharing his story and has, to date, not agreed to share his story. During a phone conversation he did say, "If I knew Josh was in town at 5 a.m. the day Susan went missing, don’t you think that story would be worth at least $1,000?”
It's hard to imagine WH selling a story for $1000. I've read his comments in the past when he was bragging about the national news wanting to interview him. I feel pretty sure he would want a lot more than $1000.
I am curious about the use of the word "friend" and wonder if the person identified themselves as a friend or if the Examiner used the term themselves. Perhaps, the person with the knowledge of Josh being in WVC at 5 am could be someone from a store he went to?
The reason I chose him is because Isabelle [zehnder?] has interviewed and published articles about Jovanna Owings, Debbie Caldwell, Kirsii Hellewell, Chuck Cox and about every other "major player" in this case EXCEPT for Wayne Hamberg and I simply cannot fathom her NOT trying to get an interview from Wayne, unless it was Tim Peterson but I doubt that because he so freely spoke with the Salt Lake Tribune and KSL.
Wayne (same computer group Wayne Hamberg who comes forward to defend josh dec 19) * I've spoken to Josh many times outside his van after a user group meeting. Don't think there is GPS on his van. * Josh does have a cell as he has called me many times. Cell phone records are the first thing they track and would have been reported. * Josh doesn't have a girlfriend that I know of. I have seen Josh at user group meetings over the past several months and he spends most of the time talking to us guys. * I doubt there is any insurance policy. Josh is in his 20s.
I've known Josh for a year now and we have spoken many times. Josh doesn't show any of the traits I've read about in people involved in their spouse's disappearance. He's not living some false live, no girl on the side, no money problems outside he's underpaid at work.
Josh is a good guy so quit speculating about this and let the police do their work. WVPD are good group of guys and will figure this out.
@@Hotel breakfast
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@@Jen
Josh apologist so offensive, comments were removed from SL Tribune.
@@Justice Failure
another comment:
WVC Police department should be investigated for failure to report suspected child abuse and neglecting to take action on suspected child abuse. They are mandated investigators of such matters.
@@Map
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53854460-78/powell-mine-mines-hardman.html.csp?page=2
Police also had a copy of a map Steve Powell sketched that illustrated his theory that Steve Koecher, who has been missing since Dec. 13, 2009, and traveled through the West Desert and Ely areas, might have run off with his daughter-in-law.
@@Marini, Rachel
Early witness says there is something wrong with Josh's behavior, sides with Susan
December 21, 2009
On Sunday evening, he attended a prayer vigil for Susan with his older son but did not acknowledge his wife’s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox, who stood just a dozen or so feet away from him. Marini said that behavior seemed strange....I would have hoped that he would have been comforting to them..what had been a happy marriage began to deteriorate several years ago when the Powells moved from Washington to Utah. The couple had financial difficulties and filed for bankruptcy in 2007, citing nearly $200,000 in debts.. “Josh was very controlling. He controlled everything in their marriage, from the money that Susan spent to what groceries she could buy to what she could eat. There was a lot of fighting and belittling on his part. It just reduced her to a very unhappy and different person than she was when he first met her,” Marini told Curry... I do know that if he had told Susan, ‘Hey, I’m going to take the boys out camping, and it’s 10 degrees out, it’s a blizzard, and we have school the next day,’ she would have said, ‘No way,’ and she wouldn’t have let him,” Marini said.
http://voice-of-deseret.blogspot.com/2009/12/west-valley-city-cop-craig-black-says.html
The December 15th Salt Lake Tribune story about alleged marital discord within the Powell household has now been picked up by KSL Channel 5. Rachel Marini, one of the people who reportedly urged Susan Powell to get a divorce after Josh became too controlling, has been interviewed by KSL. In one instance, Marini said after a road trip with the Powells she became so disgusted with the way Josh treated Susan that she didn't want to have anything to do with him anymore, but she kept in contact with Susan through Facebook and e-mail. Watch news video below:
Video Courtesy of KSL.com
@@Mines
After a group announced that they are going to search a mine, somebody poured gasoline down and lit a fire. Now who do we know in this case that takes cans of gasoline with him when he is taking his boys on a camping trip, or murdering them in his own house? There is no chance this was a coincidence, this strongly suggests that Josh was the one who set this fire.
@@Marini, Rachel
Early witness says there is something wrong with Josh's behavior, sides with Susan
December 21, 2009
On Sunday evening, he attended a prayer vigil for Susan with his older son but did not acknowledge his wife’s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox, who stood just a dozen or so feet away from him. Marini said that behavior seemed strange....I would have hoped that he would have been comforting to them..what had been a happy marriage began to deteriorate several years ago when the Powells moved from Washington to Utah. The couple had financial difficulties and filed for bankruptcy in 2007, citing nearly $200,000 in debts.. “Josh was very controlling. He controlled everything in their marriage, from the money that Susan spent to what groceries she could buy to what she could eat. There was a lot of fighting and belittling on his part. It just reduced her to a very unhappy and different person than she was when he first met her,” Marini told Curry... I do know that if he had told Susan, ‘Hey, I’m going to take the boys out camping, and it’s 10 degrees out, it’s a blizzard, and we have school the next day,’ she would have said, ‘No way,’ and she wouldn’t have let him,” Marini said.
http://voice-of-deseret.blogspot.com/2009/12/west-valley-city-cop-craig-black-says.html
http://voice-of-deseret.blogspot.com/2009/12/west-valley-city-cop-craig-black-says.html
The December 15th Salt Lake Tribune story about alleged marital discord within the Powell household has now been picked up by KSL Channel 5. Rachel Marini, one of the people who reportedly urged Susan Powell to get a divorce after Josh became too controlling, has been interviewed by KSL. In one instance, Marini said after a road trip with the Powells she became so disgusted with the way Josh treated Susan that she didn't want to have anything to do with him anymore, but she kept in contact with Susan through Facebook and e-mail. Watch news video below:
Video Courtesy of KSL.com
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53854460-78/powell-mine-mines-hardman.html.csp?page=2"It buried anything down there and created a death trap because of the carbon monoxide generated by burning material," he said. Only one mine left a question in his mind, one that the group publicly announced would be searched the weekend of June 25-26, 2010. When they arrived, they discovered someone had poured gasoline down the 300-foot-deep shaft and also set fire to the wooden supports at the surface. It was still smoldering and they had to call off the exploration. "I don’t know if it was a coincidence or what, but that is the first time it’s ever happened to me and I’ve easily been in 2,000 to 3,000 mines," he said.
@@Monson, Charlie
"each and every thing Josh Powell has said and done since the day Susan disaappeared, has appeared to be actions of a guilty man not a innocent man"
Salt Lake Tribune commenter who got it dead right
@@Nielsen, Buzz
Buzz Nielsen, the police chief in West Valley City, Utah.
@@Poster
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
The poster was of object rape which showed also a fatal wound. This in front of the children.
Josh and Steve. Alina likely thought it was funny.
@@Sociopath
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
@@RandomCommenting
Salt Lake Tribune Commenter who is right on. Critic of Wayne Hamberg
@@Rule, Ann
@@Stain On The Rug With Susan's Blood
There was a big red stain under the couch that 2 big fans were pointed at it as if it were cleaned. Very suspicious, especially because it was tested, and Susan's blood was found in it, but West Valley police decided to seal this information for more than 2 years until it came out in April 2012 that they were sitting on this and much more information, evidently to AVOID having to charge and arrest Josh if everybody knew how much evidence they had.The stain:
Story 1: SusanPowell.org: Jennifer Graves ransacks missing woman Susan Powell's home
http://www.susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Graves-ransacks-missing-woman-Susan-Powell-home Jennifer Graves found a large spot under the couch in the living room (Koolaid-pink and about 2 feet in diameter). Jennifer Graves looked directly at Josh with an accusatory expression and said, "Josh, how could you?" Josh explained that it was probably some kind of spilled drink and that it had been there a very long time
Story 2: Josh Powell said that his wife had been cleaning the rug before she disappeared.
Story 3: So how is it that Steven Powell knew about a specific stain under a couch that a fan was blowing on in the Utah home when he answered a question for Josh back in November of 2010 during a Salt lake City interview with the Tribune? Was it because he could have actually driven to Utah? The guest at the home of the Powell's the night Susan vanished never said fans were running in the living room because the carpet was being cleaned. So how the heck does Steven Powell know this as if it were first hand knowledge?
story 4: here is a snippet of what was said about it by Steven Powell:http://www.sltrib.com/csp/cms/sites/sltrib/pages/printerfriendly.csp?id=50609169 Josh Powell speaks: My wife, Susan, left us behind But missing woman’s family says son-in-law is looking for someone besides self to blame. By nate carlisle The Salt Lake Tribune November 8, 2010As for the wet spot police found on the carpet of Josh and Susan Powell’s home the day after her disappearance, Steve Powell said his daughter-in-law had decided to clean the carpets. There was a red spot on the carpet underneath the couch, he said.
“It was probably juice or something,” Steve Powell said.I find it interesting that he would know when its been said that what the LE discovered re: the carpet/sofa hasn’t yet been released by the time of this interview a year ago. Also notice that he talks of a “red” spot.http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/11/josh-powell-they-underestimate-my.html
While police could not comment about the reported wet spot they did confirm a carpet cleaning machine was found in the home,http://www.examiner.com/family-in-seattle/susan-powell-update-carpet-cleaning-machine-found-husband-rents-car-then-disappears-more-gt-gt#ixzz1nEn5CpBv (was it rented or owned?)
@@Parental Alienation
: http://www.parental-alienation-awareness.com/
Did You Know That...
Parental Alienation is a form of Child Abuse?
Parental alienation (or Hostile Aggressive Parenting) is a group of behaviors that are damaging to children's mental and emotional well-being, and can interfere with a relationship of a child and either parent. These behaviors most often accompany high conflict marriages, separation or divorce.
These behaviors whether verbal or non-verbal, cause a child to be mentally manipulated or bullied into believing a loving parent is the cause of all their problems, and/or the enemy, to be feared, hated, disrespected and/or avoided.
Parental alienation and hostile aggressive parenting deprive children of their right to be loved by and showing love for both of their parents. The destructive actions by an alienating parent or other third person (like another family member, or even a well meaning mental health care worker) can become abusive to the child - as the alienating behaviors are disturbing, confusing and often frightening, to the child, and can rob the child of their sense of security and safety leading to maladaptive emotional or psychiatric reactions.
@@serial killer
@@Teaching values
@@To Be Read Out Loud
Josh Powell apologist
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
@@To Be Read Out Loud
Josh Powell apologist
http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobileopinion/53537666-82/powell-documents-charlie-manley.html.csp#disqus_thread
@@Topaz Mountains Camping Trip
In the article below, the resourceful KIRO detectives are going to solve her murder for the WVCPD.
Posted: 8:04 a.m. Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared
PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father, Steven, in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they were not looking for crystals. The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.
“They were not friendly at all. It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out-of-the-ordinary,” she said.
The two were in the same area investigators searched last summer and uncovered a shallow grave.
@@West Valley City
West Valley City, Utah is a suburb of Salt Lake City, 2nd largest city in Utah after Salt Lake City
West Valley City, Utah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Valley_City,_Utah
West Valley City is a city in Salt Lake County and a suburb of Salt Lake City in the U.S. state ofUtah. The population was 129,480 at the 2010 census,[3] making it the second-largest city in Utah.
Susan was last seen Dec. 6 at her house, 6254 W. Sarah Circle
@@West Valley City Police Department Lawsuit
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/53948680-82/records-powell-valley-west.html.csp
Mayor Mike Winder West Valley City Mayor
@@Williams, Scott C.
Scott C. Williams Utah defense attorney for Josh Powell
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